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Discussion for Today

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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_January_5


January 5

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Category:Deputy prime ministers of Liechtenstein

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Nominator's rationale: To be in-line with Category:Heads of government of Liechtenstein. TheBritinator (talk) 17:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Liechtenstein government councillors

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary duplicate of Category:Government ministers of Liechtenstein TheBritinator (talk) 16:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Unattested languages of the Americas

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Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful for navigation when there are only two categories (North and South America) SMasonGarrison 15:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient or ancient

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copy of discussion at CFDS
  • What exactly is your problem, sir? The vast majority of Wikipedia articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt). Also, "Museums of Ancient Near East" categories are missing the definite article regardless of your preferences ("Museums of the Ancient Near East" or "Museums of the ancient Near East").--Russian Rocky (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm fine with adding "the" - it's "ancient" that needs discussion. If it it is true that "the vast majority of Wikipedia articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" (the same goes for the articles/categories about ancient Rome, ancient Greece and ancient Egypt)" this is only because of recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus. Johnbod (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • So why don't you discuss it on Talk:Ancient Near East instead? To begin with, there is not enough people in CFDs to discuss this matter. Also, what "capitalization fanatics" are you talking about? Are you aware that "Ancient Near East" was changed to "ancient Near East" in 2011 (Talk:Ancient Near East#Capitalization)? Here's an excerpt: "According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"." Since 2011, nobody has talked about capitalization on Talk:Ancient Near East.
Except Category:Novels set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Films set in the Ancient Near East, Category:Sculpture of the Ancient Near East, other categories with no definite article should be renamed in any case. I suggest to stick to "ancient Near East" at first because it's more widespread inspite of your claim about "a handful of capitalization fanatics" (you provided no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and is under discussion). Personally, I don't care whether it is "ancient Near East" or "Ancient Near East", but the current consensus is apparently the former and let's stick to it.--Russian Rocky (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most category and article page names do use lowercase "ancient" in phrases like "ancient Rome" and "ancient Greece" (excluding language designations). See usage throughout the Ancient Rome page, Social class in ancient Rome, Patrician (ancient Rome), Timeline of ancient Greece, Category:Wikipedians interested in ancient Rome, Category:Novels set in ancient Rome, Category:Prosopography of ancient Rome, Category:Wars involving ancient Greece, Category:Battles involving ancient Greece, Category:Culture of ancient Greece, and Category:History books about ancient Greece for examples. I believe we should aim for consistency in article and category names. Many of these pages and categories have had these names for quite some time and were not moved recently. If you would like to use uppercase in phrases like "Ancient Greece", why not propose this at the talk pages of the main pages? WikiEditor50 (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, please. Unfortunately, I can't figure out myself what Johnbod's problem is. He claimed that the vast majority of Wikipedia articles related to the ancient Near East use "ancient Near East" because of "recent campaigns by a handful of capitalization fanatics, acting without discussion or consensus", but there is no evidence that "ancient Near East" is controversial and/or is under discussion. I agree with InverseHypercube on Talk:Ancient Near East who said the following: "According to The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (p. 153), "Ancient" should not be capitalized, not in "ancient Near East" nor in "ancient Near Eastern"."
  • See The SBL Handbook of Style For Ancient Near Eastern, Biblical, and Early Christian Studies (Appendix A: Capitalization and Spelling Examples) at the Internet Archive: p. 153: "ancient Near East (noun)" "ancient Near Eastern (adj.)".--Russian Rocky (talk) 08:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per precedent. These nominations were opposed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:24, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:10th-century churches in Russia

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Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, these churches were established in Alania and have no ties with Kievan Rus' or the later Russian Empire. Culturally they were part of the Middle East. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shortening of MPBL category names

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Nominator's rationale: All articles related to the Maharlika Pilipinas Basketball League use the abbreviation "MPBL". Also, the league's name in full might be too long for categories. MarcusAbacus (talk) 06:53, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Defunct cable television channels in Canada

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Nominator's rationale: Local terminology Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Cable television channels in Canada

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Nominator's rationale: Local terminology Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ships built in Kirkland, Washington

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Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:SYNTH
The only thing in this category is Category:Ships built at Lake Washington Shipyard and none of the 48 ships in that subcategory were built in Kirkland. Rather, they were built at the Lake Washington Shipyard which was in unincorporated King County with the official location listed as "Houghton" on the ship registries. That company quit building new ships around 1945, Houghton was incorporated as a city in 1948, and Houghton merged into Kirkland in 1968. Parent Category:History of Kirkland, Washington more accurately describes the location. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Actors of European descent in Indian films

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Nominator's rationale: There's no need to isolate actresses of European decent from other expatriate accesses SMasonGarrison 02:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Evans family (Paramount Pictures)

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Nominator's rationale: This seems too specific, as most of these people are not directly involved with Paramount except by family connection to Robert Evans. Mike Selinker (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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